just found out that elders and spies are trolling face book and my space.
some elders in xxx congregation began trolling face book looking for wayward souls and using the links to other friends etc to get more info.
they waited until they had enough ammo on the 'friends' and then printed off some of the conversations being had....questioned the 'friends' who of course denied everything..and then they produced the printed copies to catch them in the lies.
It is really hard to believe that a religion would spy on its members on the internet. It just screams mind control cult. Can you imagine a Catholic priest or a Methodist minister doing something like that?
Sad part is that I know it is true. A young man here was dfd for things he posted on the internet.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hwdfx5lvia.
Hi CoCo, glad to see you back. 25 lbs. in 2 months is quite a weight loss! I walk too, not as long as you, but regularly. I walk just 2 miles/day on a regular basis. It really clears the mind, gives the metabolism a boost and just gives you that overall feeling of wellness. It doesn't take long, just 30 minutes/day.
Glad you are seeing results and keep up the good work. cl
i am beginning to think not....elders still want to call on me rather than befriend me in any way.....and with a "good" wife and son and parents in, it seems like i still have one foot in only because of the overlap with my other "free" self........it is hard to really feel free in this situation, and is still have desire to just run the fluck away.....which would mean pretty much giving up my family in nearly every respect.
some here really miss their family and wife, others so love the freedom they seem able to move on and start fresh....as you know, i dont seem to have the balls for that, and at this point in my life the price seems to high to fully start over........it is the "one in one out limbo dance"......oompa.
You can fade, but it does take sacrifices. Snakes said it right. If you love someone, you will make sacrifices for them. You don't get everything the way you want it and they don't either.
I used to be unable to attend the hall because it really upset me. Now, I could probably go and just visit and be polite as bythesea said. I haven't been but once in years.
Other than holidays, I probably do pretty much as I want. I see that as a sacrifice I am still willing to make to keep peace.
Only you, Oompa, can decide what you are willing to sacrifice for those you care about. I know when I started to fade, some thought I was going through a middle-aged crisis. It wasn't that at all for me, but it is worth considering.
so i've been reading this board for a while but never posted.
so, go easy on me!
i have a lot of thoughts, but they're not going to be totally clear.. my story: i was dating a guy, not long, but totally fell in love with him.
I would not have given in to becoming a jw and allowing the children to be raised in such a close-minded fashion. In my case, my husband probably would have not gotten so involved if I would have refused to join.
That may not be true about your baby's father. He was raised a jw, my husband was not. The programing is already in his head that to be a good father, he has to raise the child "in the truth".
Often, young adults or teenagers in the witnesses leave the religion for a time. There is always the possibility that as they get older and more settled, they will return.
The only thing I see hope in is that he is willing to go to counseling. Make sure that includes FRANK discussions about religion and raising children. The discussion of high control groups needs to be had with the counselor involved. In this way, he will have to see the religion from a different view. How he reacts to this will be important.
You don't say how you wish to raise your child as to religion. If it is not as a jw, ground rules need to be set from the start. I am not saying you cannot raise good kids in the jws. The problem arises when someone decides they don't believe what the watchtower teaches anymore. There is no honorable way to leave. This forces families to split apart, often for life.
It would be easier to prevent this by allowing a child to see different viewpoints rather than forcing only one viewpoint upon them. Best wishes. cl
as i tuck into some very nice birthday cake today i'm reminded at my many attempts at entertaining jw's over the years.
eventualy i stopped because whenever i invited someone i got told " i don't eat..." wheat, dairy, sugar, etc.
it made catering almost impossible and that was the rare poliet ones.
Where I live, there was this was this lady who claimed to be of the anointed that was a natural doctor type person. Not sure whether she had any real qualifications.
I was talked into going to see her and she did all sorts of weird things like checking your electrical field against certain elements. Really hard to explain.
The end result was always a large bill and a bag full of supplements, one potion she always made herself just for you. They treated her like she was dispensing healthcare straight from God. Dietary restrictions were always given too.
I always had more problems with the co's and their wives. They almost always had really difficult and expensive requests. I think now, it was only one meal a day. Why couldn't they just eat something they were provided and leave the rest, rather than make a fuss.
I have a friend that is so allergic that she has to watch everything. I feel sorry for her, as it isn't an option because her throat swells shut and she can't breathe.
So, I guess it goes both ways. It is kind to inform someone before you accept an invitation to dine at their house.
so i've been reading this board for a while but never posted.
so, go easy on me!
i have a lot of thoughts, but they're not going to be totally clear.. my story: i was dating a guy, not long, but totally fell in love with him.
Greenie,
Let me say congrats on your new baby. It was shortly after I had my first child that I became a jw. Why? I wanted a good way to raise my child and my hubby wanted to be a jw.
I had doubts along the way, but always suppressed them. I raised all my children in the religion.
Today, I have grown children (time goes fast), some are jws and some are not. Because of the rules of this religion, some of my kids will not have any relationship with the others.
It makes for a very uncomfortable life. The whole family can never get together at the same time. Sometimes I feel like I am living in two different worlds.
If someone would have told me that my family would be split like this years ago when I held that first beautiful child, I would not have believed them.
I am still married and still love my husband. He still believes in "the truth". We work it out, but there is always that difference in belief and certain subjects we mostly just don't talk about.
I was once where you are now. If I could change one thing, I would have prevented this division in my family.
Your baby's father is no doubt a wonderful guy, but make sure what you want for your child. Set some ground rules and don't just go along with the flow. This is not like other Christian religions. It has the ability to divide families for life.
Enjoy that baby and good luck to you whatever you decide is best for you and your child. cl
so i've been reading this board for a while but never posted.
so, go easy on me!
i have a lot of thoughts, but they're not going to be totally clear.. my story: i was dating a guy, not long, but totally fell in love with him.
Just be careful about marrying him. Then he becomes the head of the household and thinks he has rights over all decisions with the child over you.
You say he is open to counseling. Do it now. Make sure that your differences in religious belief is part of it. Take it slow and let things play out.
I don't doubt your love for him or his for you, but I do doubt his ability to allow his child to grow up and make decisions separate from his religion.
I am in a mixed marriage and believe love can win out. It is not so easy or innocent as he is letting you believe. Just make sure you set the foundation through counseling and honesty before you take the final vow.
Best wishes for you and your child. cl
LOL @ Goshawk.
i was wondering if anyone here prays anymore?
what do you call god?
what role do you think god plays in your life?
Stephan, thanks for the nice thoughts and the link. cl
i was wondering if anyone here prays anymore?
what do you call god?
what role do you think god plays in your life?
I prayed before I was a witness. It was more of a running commentary on what was going on in my life. I did believe that God was listening.
After all the nonsense inserted into my mind about being worthy to pray, using the right name, asking for the right things, etc., I got to where I didn't pray much. All their rules got in my way.
Now, after leaving, I pray again, but not with the innocence I had before they came between me and God. What bothers me now is that I know there are many sincere prayers that go unanswered. I had been seduced to believe that God would not allow more to come upon you than you could withstand. That is just not true.
I feel a connection with a creator more when in a natural setting. Nature calms me and makes me feel less inclined to overthink things about God. I love the word grace. Don't know why, it just gives me a calm feeling. Maybe because it was denied by the watchtower.
Still working it out, but I have seen a lot of the dark side of life and feel most will not make sense until I lose this mortal life.
